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 Quincy   Quote Post
Posted: Sep 25 2009, 11:01 AM Post #3993 
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Greetings,

I'm a newly badged foundation licence holder, mulling what to do now.

2m seems interesting, as the different freqs demand a different technique and have a different set of characteristics to the CB DXing I've done across the years. However, before I take the plunge and invest in some kit I would ask how busy the air is on 2m? I'd hate to invest in some equipment only to find I'm Qunicy-no-mates.

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Posted: Sep 28 2009, 11:42 AM Post #3996 
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According to the QRZ.COM profile for M6XXX, which is the callsign you gave when you registered with these forums you have a Yaesu FT-897 and an Icom 2820.

Both of these are capable of receiving on 2m, the FT897 even allows SSB operation.

A simple dipole antenna vertically polarised for FM, horizontally polarised for SSB should enable you to gauge the levels of activity in your local area.

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 Quincy   Quote Post
Posted: Sep 29 2009, 04:37 PM Post #3997 
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Apologies - I don't want my callsign broadcast across the internet and the forum won't allow you to proceed without entering something and 'xxx' is supposed to be indicative of that, rather than trying to impersonate some poor unfortunate!

As yet I have not radio equipment other than my CB gear (which is quite a lot) and rather than than try HF decided that the 2m band is something different. As aforementioned though, I'm keen not to invest in gear for a band full of tumbleweed.

So, is anyone able to say if it is reasonably frequented? The lack of activity in the 2m forum here is, I'm hoping, not indicative of a dead band...?

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Posted: Sep 30 2009, 09:16 AM Post #3998 
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Hi Quincy,

In my experience 2m is one of the most active bands. For a lot of people 2 metre FM is their first experience of amateur radio; the equipment is readily available, the antennas are small and easily erected (if you go the DIY route, a 1/2 wave wire dipole is only a metre long - small enough to be suspended in a window if needed!), plus with the quality / sensitivity of amateur gear vs CB you'll be amazed with the distance you can cover with even a poor antenna mounted at ground level. Start talking via repeaters and you'll be covering probably 100 miles or so - perhaps using nothing more than a hand held and a rubber helical antenna.

There's a lot more to amateur radio than 2m FM, but it's a good introduction especially if moving from CB. You'll find plenty of people to chat with - plus using just basic equipment you can always later play with APRS, possibly SSTV (depending on 2m SSTV groups in your area) and even the lower satellites (if you have a radio with 70cm's too).

2m is certainly not a bad place to start smile.gif


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Posted: Sep 30 2009, 04:54 PM Post #3999 
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QUOTE (Quincy @ Sep 29 2009, 04:37 PM)
I don't want my callsign broadcast across the internet and the forum won't allow you to proceed without entering something and 'xxx' is supposed to be indicative of that, rather than trying to impersonate some poor unfortunate!

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to catch anyone out, I just went to see if I could get some idea of your location, since this can have an impact on activity and coverage.

As Steve says 2m is often the first band of choice for operations, and is easy enough to operate and set up for. There is plenty of equipment produced by all of the manufacturers and this often turns up second hand which can help to keep the costs down.

Most day to day activity on 2m is vertically polarised FM in the channelised section from 145.000 - 146.000, or just inside these limits in truth. There are allocations in the band plans for CW, SSB and data but these either require multi-mode kit or interfaces.

Most of the country is in the footprint of at least one 2m repeater and these are often used by mobile and low power operators as a mechanism to either increase range or maintain reliable contact. These are usually busiest during the morning and evening commute times but you can normally scare up a contact if you call CQ on your local box.

Simplex activity can come and go, many clubs run nets at specific times which increases the levels of activity.

If you want to find out how things are in your local area ask at the local club, or possibly borrow some kit from willing club members to get a feel.

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Posted: Oct 1 2009, 03:47 PM Post #4000 
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Thanks for the replies chaps. I'm near Northampton. I've borrowed a scanner and even with a weeny rubber duckie antenna there seems to be some worthwhile activity, so I think it's time to buy some kit. Gonna keep my eyes peeled for a used 2m mobile and a handie.

I'm a little careful with my callsign - I'm extremely narked that OFCOM will dish out personal details of people from the callsign alone, and don't want it on the web. I work for the Government and don't want some bright spark trying to track me down that way. The odds are remote, but old pilots and bold pilots and all that.
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Posted: Oct 1 2009, 05:08 PM Post #4001 
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QUOTE (Quincy @ Oct 1 2009, 03:47 PM)
Thanks for the replies chaps. I'm near Northampton. I've borrowed a scanner and even with a weeny rubber duckie

I'm a little careful with my callsign - I'm extremely narked that OFCOM will dish out personal details of people from the callsign alone, and don't want it on the web.

Well, I'm in Coventry and there is a fair bit of activity around on 2m. You might want to look at some of the repeaters around. There are a few in Northampton.

Here in Coventry I can access quite a few repeaters but not yet tried for NH.

Northampton Repeater Group: http://www.nrg-uk.org/

http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3np.htm 70cm Northants
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb7jf.htm 70cm Northants
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3bf.htm 2m Bedford
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb7db.htm 70cm Bedford
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3bl.htm 70cm Bedford
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3ci.htm 70cm Corby
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3co.htm 2m Corby
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3lt.htm 70cm Luton
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3lt.htm 70cm Rugby
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3nh.htm 70cm Northants
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3np.htm 70cm Northants
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3to.htm 2m Northants
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb3xx.htm 70cm Daventry
http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaters/gb7db.htm 70cm Bedford
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Posted: Nov 1 2009, 01:42 PM Post #4034 
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QUOTE (Quincy @ Oct 1 2009, 03:47 PM)
I'm a little careful with my callsign - I'm extremely narked that OFCOM will dish out personal details of people from the callsign alone

Indeed. The only people I ever gave my call sign and home address details to, were Ofcom and the RSGB (as they deal with the training and exam). I specifically stated I wanted my details withheld and yet...

How surprised was I when I see my (old now) home address listed next to my call sign on hamcall.

I wonder who gave them that information then? mad.gif
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Posted: Nov 2 2009, 08:16 PM Post #4037 
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G'day 2E0JTP Jon.

QUOTE
How surprised was I when I see my (old now) home address listed next to my call sign on hamcall.


Your listed in QRZ.com as well as vidchili.com

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 Quincy   Quote Post
Posted: Nov 3 2009, 10:41 AM Post #4038 
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Thanks guys. It's certainly proving to be busy enough, although I'm a little disappointed by the dead-keying music playing muppets. And to think amateurs sneer at CB'ers.
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Posted: Nov 3 2009, 08:20 PM Post #4039 
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QUOTE (Sandhound @ Nov 2 2009, 08:16 PM)
G'day 2E0JTP Jon.

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How surprised was I when I see my (old now) home address listed next to my call sign on hamcall.


Your listed in QRZ.com as well as vidchili.com

Yeah, you will find stuff if you do a web search for 2E0JTP, that's not the issue, or a problem.

It's just Ofcom/RSGB giving out my home details that was shocking.

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Posted: Nov 3 2009, 08:53 PM Post #4040 
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QUOTE (Quincy @ Nov 3 2009, 10:41 AM)
Thanks guys. It's certainly proving to be busy enough, although I'm a little disappointed by the dead-keying music playing muppets. And to think amateurs sneer at CB'ers.

Muppets are muppets, regardless of which 'system' they use.

They like an audience, don't give it to them. Report them to the repeater keeper/RSGB/Ofcom (delete as appropriate) and then ignore them and get on with using your radios legitimately.

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Posted: Nov 4 2009, 10:04 AM Post #4042 
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QUOTE (Quincy @ Nov 3 2009, 10:41 AM)
Thanks guys.  It's certainly proving to be busy enough, although I'm a little disappointed by the dead-keying music playing muppets.  And to think amateurs sneer at CB'ers.

I don't know if you went for an FM only radio or a multimode but if you have SSB you would have found the SSB end of the band very busy last night for the activity contest.
VHF contests.
Probably around 150, or more, stations on around the country/near Europe and no "dead keying" or "music" in evidence.
Although, I must admit, one or two could benefit from checking the quality of their transmissions. sad.gif
Truly terrible conditions but lots of stations had contacts well in excess of 500km. smile.gif

I know we are all security aware but, if you take an interest in VHF/UHF it is a good idea to put, at least, your QRA locator on your QRZ page.
Otherwise how are we going to know which way to point the beam when we hear a weak signal from you? biggrin.gif
The QRA is not precise enough to be a problem and, in any case, when you are operating you will be giving it out on the air so it could easily end up on the clusters.

Cheers

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Posted: Nov 12 2009, 07:46 PM Post #4064 
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FM only for now. Picked up an elderly but tidy Trio TR7730, which I'm very happy with, especially for £31 measly quid! Plenty going on to keep me occupied while I gain experience.

Point the beam to 52 deg 8 mins North, 0 deg 51 mins West wink.gif
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Posted: Nov 12 2009, 11:27 PM Post #4067 
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QUOTE (Quincy @ Nov 12 2009, 07:46 PM)
FM only for now.  Picked up an elderly but tidy Trio TR7730, which I'm very happy with, especially for £31 measly quid!  Plenty going on to keep me occupied while I gain experience.

Point the beam to 52 deg 8 mins North, 0 deg 51 mins West wink.gif

124deg from here.
I assume you are using vertical polarisation so, although you are only about 180km away, the cross polarisation loss would probably be a problem.
I've no verticals here.
In fact the last time I used FM, on 2M, was in May 2006 - the other station using a12ele horizontally polarised beam and nearly 300km away.
We were working on SSB and changed over to FM as an experiment.
The previous FM contact was more than a year before that.
Only 13 2M FM QSOs here since 2001.
Well over 4000 on SSB. smile.gif

So see you when you have SSB. smile.gif

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