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 Yaesu FT-897D Tri-band Aerial Question
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Posted: Nov 3 2009, 11:54 PM Post #4041 
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Does anyone know if you have a tri-band antenna 50, 144 & 430mHz is it possible in the menus to allocate the 50mHz side to the same socket as the 144 & 430mHz, if not I take it a switcher is needed.
I haven’t made the plunge on either the radio PSU nor the aerial yet so any suggestions would be grateful, I have had some great advice not to bother with the matching PSU assuming because it is very expensive so a PSU advice would also be useful as well.
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Posted: Nov 4 2009, 11:55 AM Post #4043 
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They are separate, so you need something like this if you want to use a single antenna:

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MX-62M Diamond HF & 6m/2m/70cm Duplexer, sells for about £70

One lead does 1.6 - 56MHz

The other lead does 140 - 470MHz

As for power supply, you're right, the Yaesu one is ridiculously expensive. However, I would suggest spending good money (£100ish?) on a decent one though.

It would be a shame to fry your £600(?) radio because a cheap power supply goes faulty.

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Posted: Nov 4 2009, 11:11 PM Post #4044 
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Wow that duplexer seemed quite expensive but then I realised that’s because of the power rating of the components I suspect because of the TX side, the power supply is more or less what I expected to pay I must admit, many thanks
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Posted: Nov 5 2009, 12:13 AM Post #4045 
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I have a Manson EP925 PSU. 25A continuous at 13.8, 30A peak. Its a traditional type psu, it has a nice big transformer in it with good size smoothing caps and beefy regulators/circuitry. W&S list it at £120. My friend uses a Watson power mite 22A switch mode psu, it is very much smaller and lighter at £84. I know which I would trust with a £600+ rig on the end!
BTW The Manson is badge engineered as a Palstar and I've seen other guises too. Basically it is a classic design that has been around for years with a fair number of names on the front panel. I cant vouch for the others but the Manson is very nice. AND HEAVY!
Cheers, Bill, G6BCC
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Posted: Nov 5 2009, 11:03 AM Post #4046 
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I operate an FT-857 which is electrically identical to the FT-897.

As far as the antenna outputs are concerned there are 2 outputs a PL259 for HF & 6m and an N-Type for 2m & 70cm.

It is not possible to switch the output of the 6m stage from the HF antenna port to the VHF/UHF antenna port, although this is possible on the FT-817 after a fashion.

As for power I'm like Riverside, I have a Manson 925. A very classic dsign and seemingly reliable and stable definitely my choice for the shack. I got mine at the Leicester Rally a couple of years ago for £75 for cash as it was ex-display and without a box.

I agree with Riverside I would much prefer this to a switch-mode for mormal use. However when we lug kit over to Lundy Island for the clubs annual DXpedition in September next year (2010) the weight factor will probably make me stump up for the little Watson switch mode for the week. After all I probably won't be running the 857 at full chat since we plan for this to be a data station. Main voice QSOs will be handled by another rig and PSU.

If you opt for an LDG AT-200 ATU this has two antenna ports on the back you could split HF and 6m at the ATU and just use a manual antenna switch to change the feed to the tri band between VHF/UHF and 6m. You're going to have to have some sort of ATU for HF work unless you're resonant on every band so there would possibly be less on cost going this route.

Just a thought.

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Posted: Nov 5 2009, 03:01 PM Post #4047 
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Many thanks again it’s nice to see that amateurs are still as friendly as I remember them, even as a youngster I showed interest in amateurs radio and quite a few of the local amateurs invited me in to sit in their shack’s and see how it all worked, I was always caught admiring their antennas from the road (I am talking about the 70’s here) it would be a little different now no one trusts anyone, shame but that’s today for you.
Sorry I have changed the subject totally I did win a waffles award once well disserved I guess.
Like I said I haven’t committed to any thing yet apart from a second hand FT-290r mk2 which I'm waiting to receive through the post courtesy of eBay, hopping it’s not been played with or has some obscure fault. I do like the look of the Icom -IC7000 but we are talking serious money and I’m not sure of my direction, I always worked 2 & 70 in the past but you get so much for your money now it’s really good, so I feel I will go for the FT-897 I have not heard any major moans about it, and I will check out the PSU that you have all kindly pointed out.
The postman has just been and I have just opened my licence from Ofcom so I'm well away now as I let it elapse for years.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 12:40 AM Post #4048 
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I had both the FT290r and 790r back in the early 80s, both mk1 versions. As I remember they were good little rigs, the 290 was a bit deaf and the prefered mod was to fit a Mutek "front end" basically a very low noise pre amp. It sure did work, but played havoc when the rig was used as a prime mover for 23cm, with a Microwave Modules 1296 transverter!
I remember the 290 cost me £229 new. What is that now with 25 years inflation. Seem to remember buying a BNOS 50W linear for it not long after at £109. Guess that makes the 897 a bargain as an all mode 2m 50w rig alone!
Whats this bit of paper.........receipt for a Sony 16" colour tv with teletext add on board........1982...........£429.95!!!!!!!
Just shows how electronics have become very inexpensive in real terms.
Cheers, Bill, G6BCC
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 02:47 PM Post #4049 
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QUOTE (Riverside @ Nov 6 2009, 12:40 AM)
I had both the FT290r and 790r back in the early 80s, both mk1 versions. As I remember they were good little rigs, the 290 was a bit deaf and the prefered mod was to fit a Mutek "front end" basically a very low noise pre amp. It sure did work, but played havoc when the rig was used as a prime mover for 23cm, with a Microwave Modules 1296 transverter!
I remember the 290 cost me £229 new. What is that now with 25 years inflation. Seem to remember buying a BNOS 50W linear for it not long after at £109. Guess that makes the 897 a bargain as an all mode 2m 50w rig alone!
Whats this bit of paper.........receipt for a Sony 16" colour tv with teletext add on board........1982...........£429.95!!!!!!!
Just shows how electronics have become very inexpensive in real terms.
Cheers, Bill, G6BCC

A lot of the amateurs in the local club had FT-290, at the time I started with an FT-480 then added a FT-780 they were mount one above the other looked really nice, but I remember a mod that needed to be done on the FT-480 something to do with channel steps, but I can’t remember the exact reason, what reminded me of it was how big the chip was as found the old one still in my draw a V1614042SB82 looks like 64 legs on it.
Your TV I know exactly what you mean, I worked in a TV repair shop many moons ago and a 26” Telefunken or Saba TV you were looking at something round £500 and in the 70’s that was big money, most people still had monochrome TV’s anyway, our main TV then was a GEC 22” with no remote control just a track from the sofa to the TV, mind you not much channel hopping in those days. Do you remember the old ultrasonic remotes every time you pushed a button your if you had a dog he or she would attack you, and a squeaky door hinge would change channels, oh! they were good times, well I think they were!
That’s it I will stop waffling.
All the best.
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Posted: Nov 7 2009, 02:10 AM Post #4050 
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Dont get me going on old TV sets.
Alright then.
The first TV I can remember, as a wee kid, was a PYE Continental, circa 1962. I'd be about 4. I still have the receipt. It was my Fathers first TV and he bought it in 1956 for 89 guineas, new. It ate valves.
Seem to remember an Echo? set after that which had built in radio for mw, lw and FM. When Dad went high definition with an Ultra 19" dual standard TV in 1968/9 ish, I remember a funny wee PYE radio set appeared, def not new, in a blue rexine case, about the size of a proper shoebox. It had short wave!
We got colour quite late, 1973, a bloody enormous "Korting" 26" brute. Superb picture, but again it ate valves!
My Dad was always into picture quality, so when the first Sony set caught his eye in 1982 he never looked back. It never broke down.
I still have the families first portable TV, a Perdio Portorama mk 1, 1961 ish? which was last used to watch the very last transmission from Holme Moss, VHF, 405 lines, 1984? It sits here in the shack, looking as new, alongside an HMV 102 gramophone from 1923. I dare not power it up! The 102 is used regularly btw!!!
Regards, Bill, G6BCC
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 10:42 AM Post #4051 
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I think I should stop going down memory lane now but I just must add radio was so exciting years ago and I dare say it magical, but it’s just taken for granted now, as a kid I always wanted walkie-talkies something that never happened until CB came about.

I have repaired a couple of the Blue Spot radio grams with drinks cabinets in, quite rewarding if you not what I mean cheers!!

Getting back to armature radio any are these fibreglass 2/70 verticals any good I'm looking at the X30 High Gain, I have decided to forget the tri-band aerial now.
Got my second hand 290R mk2 yesterday a little more scratches then I hoped but that’s eBay for you.
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 11:01 AM Post #4052 
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are these fibreglass 2/70 verticals any good I'm looking at the X30 High Gain


I have an X-30 mounted up inside my loft (not ideal, I know), and it works really well.

If you can get it out in the open and mounted up above the local roof line, so much the better! smile.gif

Highly recommended. My one works brilliantly, even from inside the loft.
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 11:10 AM Post #4053 
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are these fibreglass 2/70 verticals any good I'm looking at the X30 High Gain


I have an X-30 mounted up inside my loft (not ideal, I know), and it works really well.

If you can get it out in the open and mounted up above the local roof line, so much the better! smile.gif

Highly recommended. My one works brilliantly, even from inside the loft.

Oh that’s brilliant many thanks very encouraging, that sorts that out I have a 8ft alloy pole on TK brackets on the back of the house, I had one of them cone scanner aerials up there fore years but it was rusting away and bits were dropping off so in the summer I got up there and removed it.
Have you ever worked sideband with it because ideally it should be horizontal I do appreciate that.
Thanks for the reply by the way
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 12:01 PM Post #4054 
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For SSB you really do need to be horizontally polarised.
Even if you only use a horizontal omni, say a halo or clover leaf (big wheel), you will avoid the cross polarisation loss of 20db or more that would limit your possible contacts.
A beam would be even better. smile.gif
Many people go on 2M, 4M and 70cm, SSB using a vertical and are convinced that the bands are dead when, often, that is far from the truth.
It would be a pity to waste the SSB facility.

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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 03:49 PM Post #4055 
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Have you ever worked sideband with it because ideally it should be horizontal I do appreciate that.


Yes, I have. But as Tony points out, you suffer very significant losses due to the incorrect polarisation.

I've used it for local SSB working with others who are similarly vertically polarised, but to be honest, it's a complete waste. Everyone who is actually trying to make long distance SSB contacts will be using horizontal beams.

Use the X-30 for local FM working and invest in a beam for SSB. You will be seriously impressed at the difference it makes.
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 06:31 PM Post #4056 
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I was afraid that that would be the answer, the trouble with a beam is wind and then the extra weight of a rotator and more switches or a masthead relay, and if I put up a 2mtr beam I will then want one for 70cm that’s the trouble, I guess I should check to see if there is a 2/70 dual band beam available.
It’s not surprising why amateurs end up with an aerial farm where do you stop.
The other way of looking at it I guess is local contacts on FM an horizontal beam would be more expectable then SSB would not be a compromise, I think I had years ago something called an HB9CV which really gave excellent results, because to the north of me there is a hill so nothing VHF and above is workable much, but I'm clear east to west.
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